The Science of 'Dad Brain' | Darby Saxbe (Mom of 2, USC Professor & Researcher)

Darby Saxbe is a professor at USC and holds a PhD in Clinical Psychology. Her research includes studying the effects of stress hormones in couples and most importantly the changes that the male brain undergoes after becoming a parent. She has scientifically discovered slight gray matter loss in men following fatherhood and termed it Dad Brain. She is currently writing a book about her research. She’s also a wife, musician in a Mom Band and mother of two kids! In our conversation today we discussed:

• Early influences on her scientific research

• What it was like having two kids while getting your post doc

• The neuroplasticity of the brain

• Stress hormones in couples

• How fatherhood reshapes men’s brains to make them more efficient

• Changes in the ‘default mode network’ and the visual network in new Dads

• How brain changes are different in new Dads vs. new Moms

• The implications of her research for public policy, paid family leave and the support for new parents

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Where to find Darby Saxbe

• Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darbysaxbe/

• X: https://twitter.com/Darbysaxbe

• USC: https://dornsife.usc.edu/nestlab/

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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjfishman/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startupdadpod/

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In this episode, we cover:

[1:52] Welcome

[2:25] Professional background

[5:18] What was the spark for the research?

[8:26] Did having children during postdoc help shape research?

[10:08] Cortisol

[13:57] Dad brain

[25:55] Should we worry about brain shrinkage after becoming a parent?

[29:55] Brain efficiency in parenting

[31:33] Default mode and visual network for Dads

[35:43] Enhancement in social cognition

[38:06] Indifference

[40:35] Parental leave

[44:48] Darby’s book/ future research

[48:35] Advice to new parents/dads

[51:10] Follow along

[52:05] Darby’s Mom band

[54:55] Rapid fire

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Show references:

Darby’s Research: https://dornsife.usc.edu/nestlab/publications/

Prenatal prolactin predicts postnatal parenting attitudes and brain structure remodeling in first-time fathers: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306453023003104

Darby on Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=q676bXMAAAAJ

Dad Brain is Real: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/opinion/dad-brain-fatherhood-parenting.html?unlocked_article_code=1.0E0.biCq.04uwT7G2QN-x&smid=url-share

More on Dad Brain: https://theconversation.com/brain-study-identifies-a-cost-of-caregiving-for-new-fathers-227319

Cortical volume reductions in men transitioning to first-time fatherhood: https://academic.oup.com/cercor/article-abstract/34/4/bhae126/7645338?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

USC: https://www.usc.edu/

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